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In the moments

18 linked receipts
Framework

The 'Tesla of X' advertorial angle that printed traffic

Sam wrote advertorials for The Hustle's clients, calling Quip 'the Tesla of toothbrushes.' The angle crushed and advertisers poured money into driving traffic to it, a reusable positioning template for any premium DTC product.

So I wrote one for them and I called them the Tesla of toothbrushes and that crushed. And they said they spent a ton of money driving traffic to them. Now I'm not going to take credit for it. I actually think I did copy it from someone, but I don't remember. Now the Tesla of like a bed, the Tesla of— yeah, it's— it crushes it.

Steal thisPosition a premium DTC product as 'the Tesla of [category]' in advertorials to make the angle instantly legible.

EP 217 · 44:44 · SAM
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Fact

How a short squeeze drives the price up

Shaan explains the mechanism behind Bitcoin's ~$10K two-day spike: as price rises, heavily leveraged short sellers are forced to buy to close their positions, and their buying pushes the price higher, triggering more shorts to cover, just like Tesla.

Um, but what happens is because all the shorts start worrying that the price is going to run up, they all start trying to close out their positions at the same time. So they all start buying. So the people who are betting against it, all of a sudden add all this buying pressure where they have to close out their position. They have to buy Bitcoin, which causes the price to go up and up and up and up.
EP 204 · 4:18 · SHAAN
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Fact

Network capitalism, not industrial capitalism

Maples explains why he invested in Lyft, Tesla, and Apple as software-defined, network-centric companies. Lyft replaced centralized taxi dispatch with an algorithmic 'invisible hand' matching riders and drivers; Tesla is 'a car company animated by networked capitalism.' He predicts these companies keep displacing incumbents that merely use computers to make industrial processes faster.

And so why did we invest in Lyft? Lyft was a more modern way to think about getting a ride than taxis. Taxis are a centralized, command and control, tops-down, dispatch-driven technology. Lyft says, hey, riders and drivers can advertise their presence in real time on a network, and algorithms will form an ad hoc connection. So it's kind of like this return of the invisible hand.
EP 191 · 22:15 · MIKE MAPLES
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Take

The best marketers don't spend a dime

Shaan's thesis: Elon Musk sells cars and launches rockets without running commercials, and Jake Paul sells millions in pay-per-views by hijacking attention. Some operators win by commandeering free attention in the news rather than buying ads.

And, you know, Tesla never runs a commercial. Jake Paul is like, does the same. He's going to sell millions of dollars of pay-per-views for this boxing match that he has coming up without a commercial. And I said the best marketers don't spend a dime, right?

Steal thisEngineer attention-grabbing moments that the press and social media spread for free instead of paying for ads.

EP 183 · 5:14 · SAM
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Prediction
Hit

More companies will move treasury into Bitcoin within a year

Shaan predicts that beyond Square, PayPal, and Tesla's $1.5B buy, more companies will take 6 months to a year to move a portion of their treasury reserves into Bitcoin as long-term holders, letting retail investors front-run the institutions.

It's likely that there are more companies out there, and it'll take them 6 months to a year to make this move, but they will take a portion of their treasury reserves and they'll move it into Bitcoin. And these are long-term holders. These are not retail day traders
EP 161 · 1:07:50 · SHAAN
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Story

The Hustle's giveaways revealed an obsessed middle-America bargain-hunter audience

Sam recounts how The Hustle's prize giveaways (a MacBook, a $30,000 Tesla) surfaced huge communities of middle-America stay-at-home moms who chase free contests relentlessly, even when they'd never buy the coastal-branded merch otherwise.

One time we gave away a Tesla, like a $30,000 Tesla. And when we do these giveaways, there's these websites. I'd have to go and remember what they're called. But it's like Super Savers, or it's like— there is this, and we get so much traffic from it, it's crazy. And if you Google like the Hustle giveaway, there's these huge communities, and we get so much traffic from it. And it's mostly Middle America, stay-at-home moms, and they are doing giveaways like crazy. They are all about saving money.
EP 143 · 20:57 · SAM
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Take

Bitcoin as the self-fulfilling prophecy / 'bubble that never pops'

Shaan argues Bitcoin is a reflexive, self-fulfilling asset: more belief and adoption drive up price and returns, which strengthen the story and attract more buyers, so a Tesla buy would only further legitimize it and push the price higher.

And so that's the beauty of Bitcoin. It is the money— it is the bubble that never pops. The more people that believe in it, the more people that get behind it, uh, the more hype it builds, the more real it becomes. And so Michael Saylor is absolutely right. If Tesla did this, if they did legitimize Bitcoin even more than it's already been legitimized, it would only— it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It would only increase the likelihood that the price would go up and the returns would be higher.
EP 139 · 41:48 · SHAAN
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Fact

Tesla's 'shadow mode': every human-driven Tesla silently trains the autopilot

Why some now think Tesla leads self-driving: every Tesla runs autopilot in 'shadow mode', predicting what it would do while the human drives, then logging every place the human acted differently. Millions of cars on the road generate the largest training dataset.

So basically while you're driving a Tesla, self-driving is predicting what it would do., and then the driver's driving. The self-driving is checking based on what the human did, like, oh, human did something different than I would have done, noted. And then the engineers can go like look at that, and those— all those differences get noted. And so a lot of people think Tesla's getting better because they have the most data
EP 132 · 38:51 · SHAAN
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Number

Elon sold $10M of Tesla flamethrowers in 100 hours

Shaan notes that Tesla's $500 branded flamethrower sold $10 million worth in 100 hours, and the Boring Company hat sold $600,000 worth, as examples of using novelty merch to fund and build a brand.

$10M
Flamethrower sales in 100 hours · USD
All right, flamethrowers. So he, you know, they made a flamethrower, a Tesla brand of flamethrower, I think, and it was $500, and he sold $10 million worth of it in 100 hours.
EP 129 · 29:34 · SHAAN
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Number

Elon sold $10M of Tesla flamethrowers in 100 hours

Shaan notes that Tesla's $500 branded flamethrower sold $10 million worth in 100 hours, and the Boring Company hat sold $600,000 worth, as examples of using novelty merch to fund and build a brand.

$10M
Flamethrower sales in 100 hours · USD
All right, flamethrowers. So he, you know, they made a flamethrower, a Tesla brand of flamethrower, I think, and it was $500, and he sold $10 million worth of it in 100 hours.
EP 129 · 29:34 · SHAAN
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Tactic

Elon as 'greatest dropshipper': slap your brand on commodities at 10x markup

Shaan calls Elon the greatest dropshipper because he takes commodity products and slaps the Tesla brand on them as novelty items at roughly 10x markup, like a $250 Tesla tequila that would otherwise sell for $30.

So like, this isn't the best tequila, it's Tesla tequila, the limited edition fun thing for Tesla fanboys that can be char— you know, he's charging $250 a bottle for this thing that's probably normally would sell for $30. He's got this 10x markup because it is a novelty product to his fanboys.

Steal thisAttach a strong brand to a commodity product and sell it as a limited-edition novelty at a multiple of its base cost.

EP 129 · 34:14 · SHAAN
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Framework

The stock market is a Keynesian beauty contest

Shaan frames investing as a Keynesian beauty contest: you're not judging how good a company is to you, but how attractive you think it will be to the other judges (investors) who set the price.

you're investing in What will the market think of this company? So it's called a, like a Keynesian beauty contest. You are judging the beauty of an asset, not based on how beautiful it is to you, but how beautiful you think it will be to the other judges of the contest. And so that's how the stock market works.
EP 122 · 15:34 · SHAAN
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Framework

The fat startup: big vision, big capital, win-or-die

Shaan defines the 'fat startup' via Opendoor: start with a big vision, raise tens of millions in equity plus debt early, no MVP, come out swinging with a big team and budget. SpaceX and Tesla are the same archetype.

Opendoor would be like a fat startup, meaning immediately started with a big, uh, big vision, not like kind of a small like, uh, wedge. Uh, immediately needed a bunch of capital to do this because they had to go buy homes, and every home is expensive. And so they needed tens and tens of millions of dollars pretty early on that they got through equity plus debt. And, um, they didn't have like some MVP. They like came out swinging with a big team, big, big bank budget
EP 112 · 33:20 · SHAAN
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Idea

Build a for-profit train company on Amtrak's only profitable routes

Shaan explains Wes Edens's Brightline (now Virgin Trains USA) thesis: Amtrak is a money pit that's never turned a profit, but specific corridors like NY-DC are extremely profitable. The play is to cherry-pick only the high-traffic legs (South-to-Central Florida, LA-Vegas in 85 min) and run them for profit.

Amtrak is actually profitable on certain legs. It's just that they operate all these other legs because they're non-for-profit. They're not profit.. And so, um, it's their other legs that are causing them, uh, to be unprofitable. But if you just look at their, their best routes and like, he's like, you know, look at this one route from New York down to Washington or whatever. It's actually extremely profitable because a lot of people want to go on that corridor. And so he's identified all, so he started this thing called Brightline.

Steal thisWhen entering a money-losing incumbent's market, isolate only its profitable segments and operate just those.

EP 96 · 13:54 · SHAAN
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Number

The Hustle's $25K Tesla giveaway pulled hundreds of thousands of users

Sam ran a referral sweepstakes giving away a $25,000 Tesla Model 3: refer friends via your unique link to enter. It collected hundreds of thousands of new subscribers in 30 days, priced well below user lifetime value.

$25K
Giveaway prize cost · USD
So we gave away a Tesla in June, and that incentive absolutely worked. We said if you get your friends to join The Hustle using your unique link, you're entered in to win. This thing. And we've collected hundreds of thousands of new users that way in 30 days.

Steal thisRun a referral sweepstakes priced below user LTV; reward shares with entries.

EP 87 · 32:49 · SAM
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Fact

The short squeeze: why Tesla's chart went vertical

Shaan explains the mechanic behind Tesla's near-vertical run: as the most-shorted US stock rose, short sellers had to buy shares to cover their borrowed positions, and that mass buying drove the price even higher in an unnatural feedback loop, rather than new investors gaining confidence.

What's happening is it's a giant short squeeze. There was so much short action, and as the price was going up, they all had to cover their position, which just drives the price even higher. And so it's not that people— it's not that new people have this irrational confidence that Tesla's going to go up. It's that the shorts are getting burned so bad that they had to sell to— they had to cover their position.
EP 42 · 9:06 · SHAAN
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Number

WallStreetBets has 828,000 subscribers (they guessed 40,000)

Sam and Shaan guessed the WallStreetBets subreddit had ~40,000 subscribers; the real number their producer pulls up is 828,000, with members posting things like getting an Elon-as-Jesus tattoo and vowing to eat a live chicken if Tesla cleared $900.

$828K
WallStreetBets subreddit subscribers · subscribers
He's our Google. 828,000. 800,000 in this subreddit.
EP 42 · 10:38 · SAM
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Framework

Position it like 'Tesla for sleep' — borrow a hot brand's halo

Gravity's mood board was 'Tesla for sleep': a science-forward, premium feel launched while Elon Musk was at peak cultural worship. Right branding, messaging, audience, and timing combined to make the Kickstarter explode.

We played into this whole, like our mood board, as stupid as it sounds, was like Tesla. For sleep, right? And so we did Gravity Blanket and we gave it this whole science feel.

Steal thisAnchor a new product's brand to a culturally beloved company as shorthand for its vibe.

EP 13 · 15:57 · JOHN FIORENTINO
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