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Christina Cacioppo

Co-founder and CEO of Vanta, the security and compliance automation firm valued at $2.5B in 2024.

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#646I failed 22 times... then I built a $2.5B Company | Christina Cacioppo from VantaNov 06, 2024

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Story

She landed a USV job by sending three web links into a form

Cacioppo got hired at Union Square Ventures with no warm intros, just three links to her web presence (Twitter, Flickr, a fresh design blog) submitted through the public application form.

And so I literally sent them 3 links to my web presence and didn't email anyone who knew them, didn't— you know, turned out I, like, knew people from school who knew— didn't pull anything. Just sent them links and put them in a form and was like, "Well, now I'll go back to making slides."
EP 646 · 2:09 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Framework

To beat credentialed rivals: pick a niche and be the only expert

Fred Wilson's advice to Cacioppo: you won't out-hustle established players, so instead pick one emerging area, go deep, and become the expert where no one else is. In 2012 he told her to pick crypto.

The other strategy is pick something, go deep in it, and be the expert where no one else is. And in the fall of 2012, I recommend you choose crypto.

Steal thisPick one underexplored niche, go deep, and become the recognized expert before anyone else shows up.

EP 646 · 3:50 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Tactic

Fake a job to build discipline: dress up, same building, 9:30am

During her self-funded year learning to code, Cacioppo tricked herself into structure: she got dressed each morning, walked to a friend's office across from USV, and showed up by 9:30am as if she had a real job.

But basically it was, like, tricking myself into acting like I had a job so that I got up every day, I was there by 9:30, you know, I was just doing the things.

Steal thisManufacture the rituals of a real job (dress, commute, fixed start time) to stay disciplined during a solo build period.

EP 646 · 7:47 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Framework

The 300 pots: volume beats perfectionism

A pottery teacher graded one group on a single perfect pot and another on quantity. The volume group, making two pots a day for a semester, ended up far better than the student who polished one pot all term.

And Student 1 spends all semester crafting the perfect pot and hands it in at the end. And Student 2 makes 2 pots a day, and they're all bad for a long time, right? But over the course of the semester, hands in whatever, like, 300 pots. And, like, who gets a better grade? Of course. The 300.

Steal thisOptimize for reps, not for one perfect attempt; quantity produces quality.

EP 646 · 11:56 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Tactic

Use your past self to decide when to quit a project

Cacioppo filled out a weekly form for herself; the one useful question was 'what would make you stop?' Your present self always wants to keep going, so she let her past self's stopping criteria make the kill decision.

The only question that ended up mattering was, what would make you stop working on what you're working on right now? And to your point, turns out my present self always thinks I should keep going, but my past self sometimes thinks current self should stop, right?

Steal thisWrite down in advance the conditions under which you'd quit, then let past-you make the call when present-you is too attached.

EP 646 · 21:12 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Take

Protect the few things that make you feel like you

On managing your own psychology, Cacioppo's rule is to identify the specific things that center you, like running or reading, and never give them up no matter how busy you get.

figure out what makes you happy or centered, whatever those things are, and, like, do not give them up. And so for me, for years, it was, like, you know, running 3 or 4 times a week.

Steal thisName the handful of activities that make you feel most yourself and guard them as non-negotiable.

EP 646 · 22:11 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Idea

Someone please fix the B2B go-to-market tooling stack

Cacioppo's standing idea for founders: the B2B SaaS go-to-market stack is 9,000 jerry-rigged tools held together like a Rube Goldberg machine. She wants someone to go full-stack and consolidate it.

There's like so many, like someone please fix the go-to-market tooling stack. There's 9,000 tools and none of it's like You jerry-rig them together in this Rube Goldberg machine and the marbles are all over the floor. And like, if anyone wants to be to be SaaS, just like fix that, go full stack on all that.

Steal thisBuild a full-stack go-to-market platform that replaces the dozens of duct-taped B2B SaaS tools teams currently stitch together.

EP 646 · 27:34 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Tactic

Validate with a spreadsheet before writing any code

Vanta started not as code but as a manual SOC 2 process Cacioppo ran in an Excel spreadsheet for a couple of YC startups. The point: coding is easy, so front-load validation of whether anyone actually wants the thing.

The hard part is, does anyone want my thing at the end? And so like how much of the validation can you front load there?

Steal thisDeliver the service manually (spreadsheet, concierge) to confirm demand before building any product.

EP 646 · 29:35 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Framework

Customer-interview test: 'can you do this for me now?'

Cacioppo's filter against false positives: anything other than 'can you do this for me now, tomorrow, next week' is a no. People are kind and rarely say no outright, so 'maybe next quarter' or 'my friend might want it' both count as rejection.

So on the false positives, anything that is not, can you do this for me now, tomorrow, next week is a no. And people are really kind and they want to be kind. And so they don't say, like, rarely do they say no, but a lot of like, oh, maybe next quarter, like, I don't need this, but my friend might.

Steal thisTreat any answer short of 'do this for me now' as a no when validating demand.

EP 646 · 30:51 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Tactic

Podcast ads worked far better than Vanta expected

Cacioppo assumed podcast advertising would be throwing money out the window and was totally wrong; it really worked in Vanta's early days and still works.

podcast advertising really worked. I mean, actually it still really works, but like really worked in the early days. I thought podcast advertising was just gonna be like sending money out the window. I was totally wrong.

Steal thisTest podcast advertising for early B2B SaaS growth even if you assume it won't pay back.

EP 646 · 34:37 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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Story

Quiet ARR ramp made a VC's jaw drop in the pitch

Vanta kept its numbers low-key to deter copycats, so VCs underestimated it. In one pitch the investor thought Vanta was at ~$2.5M; when the ARR chart showed $10M, his jaw dropped and he admitted he'd missed the deal.

and I get to the ARR ramp chart, the, you know, 10 at the end of it basically, and his jaw just drops. And he was, like, clearly speechless. And he's looking at it, and he's like, "I thought you were at, like, 2.5."
EP 646 · 43:39 · CHRISTINA CACIOPPO
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