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Guillermo Rauch

Founder and CEO of Vercel and creator of Next.js, Socket.IO and other open-source projects; Vercel was valued at $9.3B in 2025.

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#711How I built a $3B AI Startup + 7 AI Business IdeasMay 28, 2025

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Billy

11-year-old in Argentina freelancing online before Skype existed

Guillermo Rauch describes how a stranger on a forum nudged him onto a freelancing site, and he started selling Linux/PHP/programming services as a kid — cashing his first check at 11 and landing a Netherlands client at 12 or 13.

So there was a bit of a lucky break in that I figured out a business model for myself really early on. I got my first check when I was like 11 years old, then started— I had a client in the Netherlands when I was like 12 or 13.
EP 711 · 2:16 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-136
Framework

Win by finding the asymmetry: JavaScript's unfair advantage

Rauch's core mental model for success is hunting for asymmetries / alpha / unfair advantages. His example: JavaScript is the only language every web browser on Earth can run — not Python, C++, or Java — a structural moat he bet his career on.

Looking back, I think you always arrive to success by finding asymmetries or finding alpha or finding unfair advantages. And JavaScript has this unfair advantage that— and I can explain how it won as well. But right now, every single device on the planet, on the client, inside a web browser can run one language, and that language is JavaScript. It can't run Python, it can't run C++, it can't run Java.

Steal thisBefore betting your career on a technology, ask what structural asymmetry would let it win even if it looks like a toy today.

EP 711 · 8:24 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-504
Framework

Ship the minimum surface evolution can bootstrap from

Rauch's reframe of MVP: don't aim for completeness, ship the smallest surface on top of which evolution can compound. Deadlines (like YC's 3-month sprint) act as a forcing function for the reduction — he invokes Rick Rubin's 'I'm a reducer, not a producer.'

And what is the minimum surface that you can ship on top of which evolution can be bootstrapped? I think that's much better than trying to aim for completeness of that initial version.

Steal thisUse a hard deadline as a forcing function to cut your launch down to the minimum surface that can still evolve.

EP 711 · 16:02 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-962
Framework

Optimize idea-to-URL: the Formula 1 pit-crew principle

Rauch's career-long obsession is shrinking the time from idea to shareable URL. Vercel was founded by measuring each millisecond between writing code and getting it live — the entire business is a Formula 1 pit crew shaving seconds off the deploy. He cites DoorDash launching with one HTML page and six restaurant PDFs.

So to some people, it becomes obvious that the most important thing is to get the idea out into the world as a URL. And see if it sticks. So I wanted to create a platform where that was the norm. And that was sort of the inception, the idea for Vercel.

Steal thisMeasure and ruthlessly shrink your idea-to-live-URL time; treat your deploy pipeline like a pit crew shaving seconds.

EP 711 · 19:06 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1146
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Faster site lifted conversion 30% to 90% across markets

Rauch cites a public company selling billions of dollars of consumer electronics a year that improved its conversion rate by 30% in some markets and up to 90% in others after moving onto Vercel — purely because the website got faster.

$90
Conversion rate improvement from a faster site · percent
So we'd recently heard about a public company that sells billions of dollars worth of consumer electronics a year that improved their conversion rate by 30% on some markets, to 90% in some other markets. Why? Because the website is faster.
EP 711 · 25:08 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1508
Idea

A 'v0 for video games' — prompt your way to a game

Rauch pitches an AI game studio where, like v0 for websites, you describe a game in English ('like Pokémon Red but 3D with 10 missions') and it builds it on a Next.js-style engine under the hood, opening game creation to non-programmers.

So video games is an obvious one to me because you will want parts of the game engine to be just like Unreal Engine is, right? Like you'll want something like a Next.js, but for video games that is under the hood. But then you want to open up video game creation to as many people as possible. Like start with a prompt and you're going to be like, I want to create something that is like Pokémon Red, but the art should resemble this and it should be in 3-dimensional space.

Steal thisBuild a prompt-to-game studio that wraps existing engines, asset, and sound models into one opinionated workflow.

EP 711 · 30:20 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1820
Idea

A 'v0 for video games' — prompt your way to a game

Rauch pitches an AI game studio where, like v0 for websites, you describe a game in English ('like Pokémon Red but 3D with 10 missions') and it builds it on a Next.js-style engine under the hood, opening game creation to non-programmers.

So video games is an obvious one to me because you will want parts of the game engine to be just like Unreal Engine is, right? Like you'll want something like a Next.js, but for video games that is under the hood. But then you want to open up video game creation to as many people as possible. Like start with a prompt and you're going to be like, I want to create something that is like Pokémon Red, but the art should resemble this and it should be in 3-dimensional space.

Steal thisBuild a prompt-to-game studio that wraps existing engines, asset, and sound models into one opinionated workflow.

EP 711 · 30:20 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1820
Take

A two-decade engineer who no longer writes code, only prompts

Rauch's framing of the AI shift: after a couple of decades as an engineer, he says he no longer writes code — he only prompts. The viral Doom CAPTCHA took just a couple hours of prompting to build.

Like myself, I've been an engineer for like, you know, a couple decades now, and I no longer write code. I only prompt.
EP 711 · 32:54 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1974
Take

A two-decade engineer who no longer writes code, only prompts

Rauch's framing of the AI shift: after a couple of decades as an engineer, he says he no longer writes code — he only prompts. The viral Doom CAPTCHA took just a couple hours of prompting to build.

Like myself, I've been an engineer for like, you know, a couple decades now, and I no longer write code. I only prompt.
EP 711 · 32:54 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-1974
Framework

Onboarding golden rule: one task, kill every distraction

Rauch's rule for any completion flow: give the user one thing to do and strip out everything that can pull them away — don't make the logo clickable, drop the six footer links to your founding story. Every escape hatch leaks intent.

And this is one of the golden rules of onboarding. Forget about forms onboarding. Like, give me one thing to do. Remove all the distractions, remove all the links that might take me out of the flow. I, I give people this little hack sometimes. Like, if you're in a flow where you want people to complete a task, why are you making the logo clickable? And why are there like 6 footer links taking me to like the fucking founding story of the company?

Steal thisIn any completion flow, remove every exit (clickable logo, footer links) so the user has exactly one thing to do.

EP 711 · 40:24 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-2424
Framework

Drag-and-drop is a poker tell for disruption

Rauch's heuristic: if drag-and-drop is a product's primary interaction mechanism, it's ripe for AI disruption — nobody actually wants to drag stuff, they want to describe the result and have it built. He points to Wufoo's drag-and-drop form builder as the kind of UX that goes away.

In fact, I would give you as a rule of thumb that if drag and drop is involved as a primary interaction mechanism, it's probably ripe for disruption because no one wants to actually drag and drop stuff. You just want to say like, this is my idea, just build it.

Steal thisScan for products whose core interaction is drag-and-drop — those are prime targets to replace with a prompt.

EP 711 · 44:59 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-2699
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A $10.81 Bitcoin app-install bonus is now worth $103,000

In 2012 Brian Armstrong gave Rauch ~$100 of Bitcoin (logged at $10.81 in the Coinbase email) just for installing the Coinbase app. As of the recording, that single payment was worth about $103,000.

$103K
Current value of a 2012 Bitcoin app-install bonus · USD
Now that's $103,000 as of this morning. Yeah. And then I actually ended up following Coinbase for many years.
EP 711 · 1:02:52 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-3772
Story

Argentina's 'your dollars are safe' lie that made Rauch Bitcoin-pilled

Rauch recounts Argentina's 2001 collapse — three presidents in days, a TV address promising 'if you deposited dollars, you will receive dollars' — followed a week later by the government converting dollar savings to devalued pesos. Watching his country edit the 'currency column' of a mutable ledger is why he believes in an immutable, proof-of-work store of value.

If you deposited dollars, you will receive dollars. If you deposited Argentinean pesos, you will receive Argentinean pesos. Literally a week later, it didn't happen. The dollars got converted into pesos and then the currency lost its value. So basically your money was stolen from you. The banks were in cohorts with the government to make these transactions happen.
EP 711 · 1:03:59 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-3839
Take

Buffett's gold-vs-farmland cube is a false dichotomy — own both

Rauch riffs on Buffett's thought experiment (a cube of all the world's gold vs. all its productive farmland and companies) and rejects the choice: he wants Bitcoin as a rock-solid foundation he lacked in Argentina, plus productive assets — with his primary bet on himself and Vercel.

But it is a false dichotomy. I want to own both. I want Bitcoin and I want assets in product, productive assets that are going to grow over time that I also want to support. And so I like the idea of by far first and foremost placing a bet on myself and Vercel.
EP 711 · 1:09:17 · GUILLERMO RAUCH
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mfmindex.com№ 0711-4157